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[新聞] 降低Omicron的傳播速度:荷蘭封城
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完整標題:Slowing the spread of the Omicron variant: lockdown in the Netherlands 發稿單位:The News Item 發稿時間:2021/12/18 19:15 撰 稿 者:The News Item 原文連結: https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2021/12/18/slowing-the-spread-of-the-omicron-variant-lockdown-in-the-netherlands https://bit.ly/3yDxY3p It has become clear in the past week that the Omicron variant is spreading very rapidly in the Netherlands too. The Outbreak Management Team (OMT) expects that this variant will be the dominant variant in the Netherlands by the end of December. This is sooner than previously expected. This rapid increase in infections means the number of COVID-19 patients in hospitals and ICUs will rise further before the end of the year. It is therefore looking increasingly likely that the healthcare system will become overburdened in January. We all want hospital and GP care to be available when we need it. The spread of the Omicron variant must be slowed as soon as possible in order to ensure healthcare services remain available to all. This is why the government has decided that the Netherlands will go into lockdown from Sunday 19 December until at least Friday 14 January 2022. 在過去幾周,Omicron在荷蘭散播的非常快。緊急應變小組專家表示這會在十二月底取代 Delta成為荷蘭主要的變種病毒,且比之前預計的速度還要快。這表示,占用病床跟ICU數 會在年底的更高,而在一月造成醫療系統癱瘓。我們希望所有醫院與家醫在需要的時候會 在岡位上。Omicron的傳播速度會需要降低來確保醫療系統穩定運作。所以內閣決定自明 日起至2022年1月14日止封城。 The Omicron variant is relatively new and many factors are therefore uncertain. Despite these uncertainties, the modelling experts at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) were able to calculate how fast the virus can spread in different circumstances. For more details on this, see the RIVM news item (in Dutch). These calculations show that the measures already in place are not sufficient to ensure the pressure on hospitals and care homes remains manageable. Measures and urgent advice applicable from Sunday 19 December 2021 Omciron是新的變種病毒,而且有許多因素讓他變得不確定。除去這些不確定因素之外, RIVM的預測專家預測後發現,如果照這樣傳播下去醫療系統會被癱瘓,所以本公告自明日 起生效。 Everyone should stay at home as much as possible and avoid busy places. 每個人要盡可能地待在家且離開人多場所。 Always stay 1.5 metres apart. 永遠保持1.5公尺。 Receive no more than 2 visitors aged 13 and over per day. On 24, 25 and 26 December and on 31 December and 1 January the maximum number of visitors aged 13 and over is 4 per day. 除了聖誕節前後與過年可有四名以上的13歲來訪者外,每日最多二名。 Visit no more than 1 household a day. 每天最多去訪問一戶。 The maximum group size outdoors for people aged 13 and over is 2 people. There can be more than 2 people in a group if everyone in the group lives at the same address. 每個出訪團最多只能有2名13歲以上的,除非每個人都來自相同地址。 Educational institutions and out-of-school care (BSO) are closed until at least 9 January 2022. There are some exceptions. On 3 January the government will decide in what form education will resume from 10 January. 教育中心以及托育中心自2022年1月9日起關閉,然而有例外。自1月3日起內閣決定哪種教 育場域可以自10日起復甦。 All hospitality venues are closed, except for delivery and takeaway. 所有餐廳、飲料店均只能外帶或外送。 All non-essential shops are closed, except for click and collect and returns. 所有非必要商店關門,除了click, collect return(就是類似亞尼克那種在捷運站的東西 ) Essential shops, such as supermarkets and chemists, can open until 20.00. Face masks must be worn. The maximum number of shoppers is one per 5 square metres. 必要商店例如,超市、藥局可以開到20:00。必須戴口罩。人流管制數為每5平方公尺1人 。 Certain locations, such as petrol stations, pharmacies, libraries, driving schools, notaries’ offices and lawyers’ offices can open for their normal hours. 特別場所諸如:加油站、藥局(前一個是成藥,這個是開處方藥的)、圖書館、駕訓班、公 證人、律師可以維持正常開業時間。 All locations where non-medical contact-based professions are carried out, such as hairdressers and beauty salons, are closed. 所有非醫療性接觸行業均關閉,包含髮廊、美甲店。 Cinemas, museums, theatres and concert venues are closed. 劇院、影廳、劇場及演唱會均關閉。 All indoor sports facilities are closed, except for swimming lessons. Outdoor sports facilities can open for all ages between 05.00 and 17.00. People aged 18 and over can engage in sports outdoors, alone or in groups of 2. They must stay 1.5 metres apart. Children and teenagers aged 17 and under can play sports outdoors and can take part in matches and competitions within their own club. 所有室內運動設施關閉,除了游泳課。室外運動設施可以開放給全齡自早上5點至下午5點 。超過18歲的人可以以2人為一組接觸,但仍需保持1.5公尺 Events are not permitted, except for funerals (no more than 100 people), weekly markets selling groceries, and professional sports matches and competitions (no spectators). 活動禁止。除了喪禮(不超過100人),每週流動超市,專業運動比賽(無觀眾)。 Check the overview of basic rules, measures, conditions and exceptions. 查看基本規則、措施、條件跟例外。 The new measures are in addition to the measures and advice that already apply to everyone in the Netherlands, such as following the basic rules to combat the spread of coronavirus, wearing a face mask where required, doing a self-test before visiting others and working from home. People aged 70 and over are still advised to limit their contacts as much as possible, including with children under 12. If they do have interactions with children, they should take care to keep a 1.5-metre distance. 新規則適用於荷蘭境內所有人以防止病毒傳播。出門前戴口罩,先快篩。超過70歲跟小於 12歲要盡量減少接觸。如果要跟12歲以下幼童互動,要保持1.5公尺距離 Business owners, companies and workers can make use of the financial support package that has recently been extended. 企業主、公司、工人可以沿用之前的紓困措施。 Education 教育 From Monday 20 December until Sunday 9 January, secondary schools, secondary schools for special education, secondary vocational education (MBO) and higher education (HBO and universities) will be closed. This measure had already been announced for primary schools, where the existing arrangements continue to apply. Exceptions exist for practical training, exams, and vulnerable pupils and students. In principle, educational institutions will reopen after the Christmas break. The government will take a decision on this on 3 January at the latest. Out-of-school care (BSO) centres will also be closed until Sunday 9 January. Emergency childcare will be provided for the children of key workers and for vulnerable children. Daycare for children aged under 4 will remain open. 自2021年12月20日起至1月9日,所有高中職以上及大專院校均關閉,在此之前小學已經開 始適用。除了實務操作、考試、弱勢與學生(?)。原則上,教育機構應該會在連假後重新 開放。政府會在1月3日做最後決定。夜間托育中心也會被要求關閉直至1月9日。緊急小孩 照護會給需要的「關鍵勞工」以及「需要的小孩」。四歲以上的日間照護仍持續開啟。 Booster vaccinations 加強劑 To increase protection against the Omicron variant, everyone aged 18 and over will be invited to receive a booster vaccination as soon as possible. Getting a booster offers the best protection against this variant. The aim is to ensure that as many people aged 60 and over as possible receive their booster before the end of the year. Where capacity allows, people aged 60 and over who already have a booster appointment for January will be invited to move their appointment forward. They will receive an SMS text message with more information next week. These people are requested not contact the municipal health service (GGD) themselves. Around 7 January, everyone aged 18 and over will be invited to make an appointment online to receive their booster vaccination. In the second half of January, everyone aged 18 and older who was vaccinated or had coronavirus more than three months ago should have had the opportunity to receive a booster vaccination. 為了抵抗Omicron,超過18歲以上的人會盡快接到加強劑的邀請。打第三/二劑是最有效抵 抗Omicron的方式。目標是在今年結束前,所有60歲以上均施打完畢。當空間足夠時,超 過60歲以上在1月的預約會被往前移。他們會在下周收到SMS跟更多資訊。這些長者不用親 自跟GGD聯繫。在1月7日,所有超過18歲的將被邀請施打第三劑,但須間隔最後一劑三個 月以上。 Make your appointment online if you can. This will help the GGD run its booster campaign as quickly and efficiently as possible. If you are unsure how to make an appointment online, ask someone to help you. Staff at your local library can also help you make an appointment online. 盡可能上網預約,這樣可以讓GGD運作得更快更有效率,如果不確定如何預約,可以找人 幫你,或者去圖書館找人幫你預約。 Healthcare 醫療 The Omicron variant is known to spread rapidly, which may put the healthcare sector under significant pressure. This pressure would be felt not only by hospitals, but also by homecare services, mental health services (GGZ), GPs and the care sector for the elderly and disabled. Plans are currently being drawn up covering a range of scenarios to ensure healthcare provision can continue in as optimal a way as possible. The aim is to ensure that, even under the most difficult circumstances, everyone who requires urgent care has access to it. 目前已知Omicron傳播速度會很快,所以會讓醫療從業人員壓力很大。這個壓力不僅是在 醫院,也包含居家照護、心理照護、家醫以及長照中心。目前正在制定涵蓋一系列情況的 計劃,以確保能夠以盡可能最佳的方式繼續提供醫療服務。目的是確保即使在最艱難的情 況下,每個需要緊急護理的人也能獲得它。 == 這真的是來的快又急,果然歷經最長時間組閣的第四次呂特內閣,結果組閣後馬上宣布封 城,真是有魄力。喔對,這屆政府組成黨派跟上屆一樣......,完全不知道在拖甚麼。 荷蘭政府有考量到60歲以上長者不會使用網路預約的問題,所以全部用手機跟實體信件通 知。 -- _ _ψcito ╱_╲ =╦= _ / \ / \/ -┼- ⊙⊙||. _ /\\_/\ \_/ ╚=╩=╝ ¯ ▽ ̄▽ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 213.29.11.178 (捷克) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/nCoV2019/M.1639863050.A.0A6.html
cool022683: 荷蘭又回到原點了 61.231.206.89 12/19 06:04
jackervator: 其實hard lockdown我體感大概等於台 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:17
jackervator: 灣的二級左右不過戶外沒有強制戴口罩 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:18
yankeefat: 上面政策 跟台灣二級差很多耶118.166.148.101 12/19 06:27
yankeefat: 戶外要戴口罩 要快篩 非必要場所關閉118.166.148.101 12/19 06:28
yankeefat: 限制訪問 禁止內用 這已經是台灣118.166.148.101 12/19 06:28
yankeefat: 三級到四級的標準了118.166.148.101 12/19 06:28
jumpout: 禁內用、商店營業到八點…光這些規定的 178.142.156.18 12/19 06:39
jumpout: 體感就和台灣二級差多了 178.142.156.18 12/19 06:39
fchiang: 比較好奇jackervator在哪個國家被 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:46
jackervator: 他們大部分商店本來就開不晚 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:46
fchiang: hard lockdown過。說來讓大家聞香一下呀 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:47
jackervator: 另外點其實還是 他們不會遵守... 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:47
iosian: 共存亡 68.49.205.34 12/19 06:47
fchiang: 畢竟說「體感」,一定是有親身經歷過 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:48
jackervator: 就是我在說的這個國家阿... 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:48
jackervator: 不過這次荷蘭已經算快了 之前拖很久 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:50
fchiang: jackervator,所以是因為大家都不遵守 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:51
fchiang: 讓您有hardlockdown不過就台灣的二級是嗎 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:51
jackervator: 是阿 而且他們還會燒火車站歐 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:51
jackervator: 台灣人相對乖很多 荷蘭人歐...算了 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:52
jackervator: 他們這個另外一點是基本上就是拜託你 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:53
jackervator: 遵守 你很難罰款 就算罰他們也可以去 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:53
jackervator: 各種方式拖 或是抗繳 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:54
fchiang: jackervator,對不遵守規則的人,台灣應該 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:55
fchiang: 「體感」武漢肺炎前的日常生活吧 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:55
jackervator: 我不太清楚你想表達甚麼 表達台灣這 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:56
jackervator: 樣做才是對的嗎 還是怎樣 我應該從來 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:57
jackervator: 沒說台灣這樣做不好吧? 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:57
fchiang: jackervator,我也沒說您說台灣這樣怎樣啊 1.172.118.221 12/19 06:58
jackervator: 那你想表達甚麼呢? 尤其你突然tag我 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:59
jackervator: 要我回答被hard lockdown的經驗 我現 114.34.203.174 12/19 06:59
jackervator: 在回答你了 你又開始轉移其他話題? 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:00
fchiang: jackervator,是啊。謝謝您提供您的體感經 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:00
fchiang: 驗。 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:01
fchiang: 因為實在好奇明明差很多的狀況怎麼會「一 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:02
fchiang: 樣」。 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:02
jackervator: 光是一個真的會罰款跟一個不罰款就差 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:03
jackervator: 很多了 外加上荷蘭人基本上每逢這種 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:04
jackervator: 要緊縮的狀況 都很長上街抗議燒東西 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:04
fchiang: 台灣二級因為您遵守規定所以體感跟您在 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:04
fchiang: 荷蘭的hard lockdown一樣。我的理解應該 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:05
fchiang: 沒錯吧 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:05
jackervator: 抱歉 我兩邊都遵守規定 只是我觀察 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:05
jackervator: 他們表現出來的狀況 你要說我體感的 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:06
jackervator: 是定義成自己行為的話 那我只能說我 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:07
jackervator: 都待在家工作 本質上沒差 只是民眾表 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:07
jackervator: 現出來的就是差那麼多 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:07
fchiang: jackervator,所以是您的觀察不能叫體感吧 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:08
jackervator: 而本質上就是因為這根本不能算規定 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:08
fchiang: 體感不是應該是您的個人的感覺。 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:09
jackervator: 他就是建議 你違反也不會有怎樣的處 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:09
jackervator: 那這樣定義的話就更一樣了不是? 我都 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:09
jackervator: 在家叫外賣 不出門 體感完全依樣阿 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:09
jackervator: 不管事民眾表現出來的狀況 還是我表 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:10
jackervator: 現出來的狀況都一樣 我說體感一樣是 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:11
jackervator: 又有甚麼問題?? 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:11
jackervator: 你想針對別人不守規矩攻擊我是沒差 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:12
jackervator: 但硬要扯到我身上就太過了 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:12
jackervator: 而且我從頭到尾都是覺得荷蘭人不守規 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:12
jackervator: 則是不好的事情 我是不知道你在這邊 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:12
jackervator: 糾結老半天是想幹嘛 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:13
festa: 台灣的二級本身range就很大吧 203.204.37.27 12/19 07:13
fchiang: jackervator,那您在台灣的生活呢?都在家 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:13
fchiang: 工作,都叫外賣?還是要外出上班要跟朋 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:13
festa: 目前幾乎沒有強制關閉的場所了 203.204.37.27 12/19 07:14
fchiang: 友外出吃飯,會到處參加各種活動? 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:14
jackervator: 台灣二級range確實蠻大的 所以硬要說 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:14
jackervator: 可能偏向台灣比較嚴格一點的二級 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:14
jackervator: 但其實商店甚麼的都沒在管 當初還可 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:15
jackervator: 看到店員不戴口罩= = 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:15
jackervator: fch我回答過你了 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:16
jackervator: 台灣現在應該是比較偏向一級了 只是 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:16
jackervator: 名義上還沒下放就是 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:16
fchiang: jackervator,您沒有回答您在台灣的生活 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:19
fchiang: 型態啊。畢竟如果您的生活型態在荷蘭跟 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:20
jackervator: "我都在家叫外賣 不出門" 這樣夠清楚 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:21
jackervator: 了嗎? 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:21
fchiang: jackervator,謝謝。這樣我瞭解了 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:22
jackervator: 台灣醫療很好 現在醫療能量也很充沛 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:25
jackervator: 我會建議你趁現在去看看眼科 畢竟我 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:25
jackervator: 就只是把我打在上面的東西複製貼上 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:25
fchiang: 所以就是不管在荷蘭還是台灣,您都是 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:33
fchiang: 在家工作叫外賣,不社交,所以不管是荷蘭 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:35
fchiang: 的hard lockdown或是台灣的二級,您感覺 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:35
fchiang: 起來都一樣。加上台灣人更遵守規則所以 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:35
fchiang: 都一樣的感受就很深刻了。 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:36
jackervator: 我從來沒說我不社交吧 但沒關係啦 你 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:45
jackervator: 想這樣超譯我也沒辦法阻止你... 114.34.203.174 12/19 07:45
fchiang: jackervator對不起,因為您沒提到社交 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:52
fchiang: 所以我沒有寫。不過經您的說明,我就更 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:52
fchiang: 能理解您為何會覺得都一樣。一直追著您問 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:53
fchiang: 不好意思。 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:53
fchiang: 另,謝謝您關心我的視力問題。 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:55
fchiang: 您寫都在家叫外賣,依文脈看不出來是在講 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:57
fchiang: 荷蘭還是台灣。為了不誤會您才又問一次 1.172.118.221 12/19 07:58
fchiang: 補字:「沒寫清楚,超譯了。」抱歉 1.172.118.221 12/19 08:05
KFVC: 沒有罰責(? 150.31.53.247 12/19 08:20
iceorz: 聖誕假期封城,這算超級嚴重的事情 27.125.138.41 12/19 08:39
yougenmi: 台灣商家大部分都沒被要求營業時間吧... 1.34.11.212 12/19 08:44
yougenmi: . 1.34.11.212 12/19 08:44
DHPdotD: 共存仔的最愛 114.136.57.214 12/19 09:01
q2825842: 某樓不只對比台灣荷蘭的現況差異,也混 218.166.71.50 12/19 09:02
q2825842: 進對比荷蘭疫情前後的差異,所以呈現不 218.166.71.50 12/19 09:02
q2825842: 嚴謹的”體感” 218.166.71.50 12/19 09:02
haklim: 口罩 118.161.116.32 12/19 09:02
mo42: 會上街燒車的社會 政府用強制力只會產生反效223.138.250.248 12/19 09:55
mo42: 果... 不如就用建議的 讓社會氛圍去約束223.138.250.248 12/19 09:55
Strokes: 非必要商店都關門了 屁什麼體感 39.9.33.130 12/19 10:19
asakura4: 好慘 分享他自身的經驗還被瘋狂review 172.118.134.8 12/19 10:23
asakura4: 這樣誰會想分享== 172.118.134.8 12/19 10:23
KFVC: 社會氛圍應該不是放推啦吼XD 150.31.53.247 12/19 10:30
cloudskyblue: 存存:只有台灣會為了防疫不民主啦 23.241.10.137 12/19 10:36
cloudskyblue: !不自由啦!你看共存國都…..咦? 23.241.10.137 12/19 10:36
ching08: 就說是體感了表示很主觀,就大家不遵守又 114.24.21.182 12/19 10:44
ching08: 沒罰則,再怎麼lock都還是感覺還好啊。還 114.24.21.182 12/19 10:44
ching08: 說啥不是體感是觀察咧,就人在那個環境社 114.24.21.182 12/19 10:44
ching08: 會氛圍是如此啊,體感不是個人感覺那不然 114.24.21.182 12/19 10:44
ching08: 是什麼?一看到有人覺得國外lockdown其實 114.24.21.182 12/19 10:44
ching08: 感覺只跟台灣二級差不多,就一整個牙起來 114.24.21.182 12/19 10:44
gardeniablue: 以我宅體質…台灣的二、三差不多 61.224.58.125 12/19 11:02
zixiang: 這種就是共存要走的一段路 根本不是原點 118.160.98.175 12/19 11:05
zixiang: 讓本來就一定會感染的人分批感染 才是正 118.160.98.175 12/19 11:05
zixiang: 解 每次看到清零派說這樣叫回到原點 118.160.98.175 12/19 11:06
zixiang: 就覺得很奇怪 利用局部性NPI達到效果 118.160.98.175 12/19 11:06
zixiang: 最終不用再NPI 明明才是最高明的 118.160.98.175 12/19 11:07
Idiopathic: 世界要被病毒毀滅了 趕快把錢花光去爽 59.125.252.136 12/19 11:26
Idiopathic: 你現在存錢等到世界毀滅就變廢紙了 59.125.252.136 12/19 11:26
Idiopathic: 人類要被病毒滅絕了 59.125.252.136 12/19 11:26
aa890051: 打疫苗後就是小感冒了,封城幹嘛 118.161.245.36 12/19 11:54
jimmy1688: “打完疫苗就小感冒而已”,精神勝利 101.9.137.57 12/19 12:39
jimmy1688: 法萬歲! 101.9.137.57 12/19 12:39
brunomarsfan: 前面有人很著急呢…… 61.223.117.174 12/19 13:23
hansenay: 某人是海巡唷 42.72.52.175 12/19 13:56
Riemann: Ùe面有人是專門找碴 特地要吵架的嗎223.137.251.203 12/19 14:18
futang: 請問這有什麼好吵的 我快笑死 1.168.109.232 12/19 14:20
Miahh: 所以聖誕假期會在封城期間度過耶,荷蘭人又 1.163.176.138 12/19 14:27
Miahh: 要抗議了嗎? 1.163.176.138 12/19 14:27
jackervator: 其實一直都有抗議 只是最近應該會更 140.112.25.100 12/19 14:42
jackervator: 多... 哎 可能又有火車站要被燒了 140.112.25.100 12/19 14:42
triplee: 讓本來就一定會感染的人分批感染 讓本來 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:09
triplee: 就會重症的人分批重症 讓本來就會病逝的 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:10
triplee: 人分批病逝 這種天擇派的說法之前沒有 但 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:11
triplee: 隨著疫情的永無止盡才慢慢浮現 簡單說這 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:11
triplee: 種論點只是以結果去反推是共存的解答 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:14
triplee: 個人觀點很簡單 當社會大多數說服自己疫 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:15
triplee: 情沒什麼 疫情流感化 那就無所謂 220.132.230.79 12/19 15:16
dreamkd: 這一串推文一堆人是不是沒啥文字閱讀能力 162.250.92.108 12/19 15:46
kerbi: 台灣一般民眾現在跟沒管制差不多了 只差在 49.216.182.45 12/19 16:26
kerbi: 路上戴口罩 49.216.182.45 12/19 16:26
virtualcell: 這篇推文完美示範什麼叫做「對言論 118.161.109.83 12/19 17:17
virtualcell: 的審查比言論本身還可怕」顆顆 118.161.109.83 12/19 17:17
a19851106: 言論審查好恐怖123.192.208.105 12/19 17:35
a19851106: 還來個華麗轉身離開123.192.208.105 12/19 17:38
ching08: 審查的不只言論吧,連生活型態有無社交也 114.24.21.182 12/19 17:54
ching08: 要報告,還一副板友有義務交代似的追問 114.24.21.182 12/19 17:54
samsonfu: 就雲台灣人而已,在吵什麼?223.140.157.132 12/19 17:55
samsonfu: 外國人都覺得台灣超嚴,實際上並沒有223.140.157.132 12/19 17:56
samsonfu: 台灣最嚴的是四級不是三級,他應該是搞223.140.157.132 12/19 18:01
samsonfu: 混了223.140.157.132 12/19 18:01
samsonfu: 五月那波算是自肅不是強制禁足令223.140.157.132 12/19 18:02
NanFish: 只能外帶就台灣三級吧 覺得這個是台灣三 220.136.200.47 12/19 18:10
NanFish: 級的時候差最大的 220.136.200.47 12/19 18:10
aulaulrul4: 想到有國家可以翻牆自稱有言論自由 114.37.143.14 12/19 18:18
aulaulrul4: 大概跟有規定沒抓就是沒有的感覺 114.37.143.14 12/19 18:19
day00145: 痾都在家叫外賣wfh,這樣有什麼差,你也 124.8.32.7 12/19 18:39
day00145: 可以說跟台灣一二三級一樣都一樣阿… 124.8.32.7 12/19 18:39
shinchen: 照原文是學校跟一堆公共場所都關耶 不遵220.133.153.157 12/19 18:43
shinchen: 守就可以跟台灣二級一樣是連學校店家都220.133.153.157 12/19 18:43
shinchen: 可以無視政府規定嗎...?220.133.153.157 12/19 18:43
samsonfu: 在牆內所以很熟悉言論審查223.140.157.132 12/19 18:45
shinchen: 還是反正這些場所我都不會去所以體感沒220.133.153.157 12/19 18:48
shinchen: 差這種邏輯 那也只能說台灣現在不是WFH220.133.153.157 12/19 18:48
shinchen: 為主 就跟你的體感已經不一樣了220.133.153.157 12/19 18:48
dvdr2001: 五月那是2.5級 很多限制 但還不到3級 36.224.200.23 12/19 19:22
stemcell: f是口委當上癮嗎111.241.103.180 12/19 19:42
Licor: 口委當上癮XDDDD 59.115.100.252 12/19 22:32
fchiang: stemcell and Licor,請推文者把話講清楚 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:36
fchiang: 如果您們覺得不可以,我也只能笑笑了。 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:37
fchiang: 這樣就能當口委。我什麼咖。不要污衊學界 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:39
fchiang: (笑) 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:39
fchiang: 其實,當該推文者說hard lockdown體感台 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:41
fchiang: 灣二級可以有兩種截然不同的解讀。一個是 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:42
fchiang: 至於哪兩種,我就不點明了。不過我個人是 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:43
fchiang: 覺得,除非你沒有討論的意願,否則把話 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:43
fchiang: 說清楚是在公開場合發言是最基本的。 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:44
fchiang: 解讀是讀者的立場。推文者的立場應該是 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:47
fchiang: 截然不同的含義。怕被挑語病,特此改過 1.172.118.221 12/20 06:47
ching08: 你好奇的點在18樓自己的推文就已經回答得 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: 很清楚了,後面問人生活型態,連不遵守規 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: 定的人在台灣的體感會是如何也要板友回答 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: ,不回答還會被說「您還沒回答啊」,這樣 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: 追問的態度就很口委啊,誣衊學界的人還真 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: 不知道是誰咧。然後現在是還想怪人沒有討 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: 論意願不給問,還是覺得人家話說得不夠清 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
ching08: 楚,沒達到最基本標準啊 114.24.21.182 12/20 10:54
JingJing00: 疫情間在荷蘭與台灣移動應該知道"封" 79.231.110.135 12/20 15:12
JingJing00: 的定義差距很大,一個有強制力一個無 79.231.110.135 12/20 15:12
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